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I met with Patalie Nortman (yes, that's the best pseudonym you've ever heard) to discuss her role working both with law enforcement and members of the community who interact with law enforcement. We attempt to cover a lot of different considerations regarding law enforcement and remedies, from a counseling psychology point of view. We also briefly talk about the worst icebreaker questions and moral injury. Music by: Kevin MacLeod and DJ DanceAlone